Message ID | 20191209085839.21215-1-sjpark@amazon.com (mailing list archive) |
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Series | xen/blkback: Squeeze page pools if a memory pressure | expand |
On 09.12.19 09:58, SeongJae Park wrote: > Each `blkif` has a free pages pool for the grant mapping. The size of > the pool starts from zero and be increased on demand while processing > the I/O requests. If current I/O requests handling is finished or 100 > milliseconds has passed since last I/O requests handling, it checks and > shrinks the pool to not exceed the size limit, `max_buffer_pages`. > > Therefore, `blkfront` running guests can cause a memory pressure in the > `blkback` running guest by attaching a large number of block devices and > inducing I/O. I'm having problems to understand how a guest can attach a large number of block devices without those having been configured by the host admin before. If those devices have been configured, dom0 should be ready for that number of devices, e.g. by having enough spare memory area for ballooned pages. So either I'm missing something here or your reasoning for the need of the patch is wrong. Juergen
> -----Original Message----- > From: Jürgen Groß <jgross@suse.com> > Sent: 09 December 2019 09:39 > To: Park, Seongjae <sjpark@amazon.com>; axboe@kernel.dk; > konrad.wilk@oracle.com; roger.pau@citrix.com > Cc: linux-block@vger.kernel.org; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; Durrant, > Paul <pdurrant@amazon.com>; sj38.park@gmail.com; xen- > devel@lists.xenproject.org > Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/1] xen/blkback: Squeeze page pools if a memory > pressure > > On 09.12.19 09:58, SeongJae Park wrote: > > Each `blkif` has a free pages pool for the grant mapping. The size of > > the pool starts from zero and be increased on demand while processing > > the I/O requests. If current I/O requests handling is finished or 100 > > milliseconds has passed since last I/O requests handling, it checks and > > shrinks the pool to not exceed the size limit, `max_buffer_pages`. > > > > Therefore, `blkfront` running guests can cause a memory pressure in the > > `blkback` running guest by attaching a large number of block devices and > > inducing I/O. > > I'm having problems to understand how a guest can attach a large number > of block devices without those having been configured by the host admin > before. > > If those devices have been configured, dom0 should be ready for that > number of devices, e.g. by having enough spare memory area for ballooned > pages. > > So either I'm missing something here or your reasoning for the need of > the patch is wrong. > I think the underlying issue is that persistent grant support is hogging memory in the backends, thereby compromising scalability. IIUC this patch is essentially a band-aid to get back to the scalability that was possible before persistent grant support was added. Ultimately the right answer should be to get rid of persistent grants support and use grant copy, but such a change is clearly more invasive and would need far more testing. Paul
On 09.12.19 10:46, Durrant, Paul wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jürgen Groß <jgross@suse.com> >> Sent: 09 December 2019 09:39 >> To: Park, Seongjae <sjpark@amazon.com>; axboe@kernel.dk; >> konrad.wilk@oracle.com; roger.pau@citrix.com >> Cc: linux-block@vger.kernel.org; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; Durrant, >> Paul <pdurrant@amazon.com>; sj38.park@gmail.com; xen- >> devel@lists.xenproject.org >> Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/1] xen/blkback: Squeeze page pools if a memory >> pressure >> >> On 09.12.19 09:58, SeongJae Park wrote: >>> Each `blkif` has a free pages pool for the grant mapping. The size of >>> the pool starts from zero and be increased on demand while processing >>> the I/O requests. If current I/O requests handling is finished or 100 >>> milliseconds has passed since last I/O requests handling, it checks and >>> shrinks the pool to not exceed the size limit, `max_buffer_pages`. >>> >>> Therefore, `blkfront` running guests can cause a memory pressure in the >>> `blkback` running guest by attaching a large number of block devices and >>> inducing I/O. >> >> I'm having problems to understand how a guest can attach a large number >> of block devices without those having been configured by the host admin >> before. >> >> If those devices have been configured, dom0 should be ready for that >> number of devices, e.g. by having enough spare memory area for ballooned >> pages. >> >> So either I'm missing something here or your reasoning for the need of >> the patch is wrong. >> > > I think the underlying issue is that persistent grant support is hogging memory in the backends, thereby compromising scalability. IIUC this patch is essentially a band-aid to get back to the scalability that was possible before persistent grant support was added. Ultimately the right answer should be to get rid of persistent grants support and use grant copy, but such a change is clearly more invasive and would need far more testing. Persistent grants are hogging ballooned pages, which is equivalent to memory only in case of the backend's domain memory being equal or rather near to its max memory size. So configuring the backend domain with enough spare area for ballooned pages should make this problem much less serious. Another problem in this area is the amount of maptrack frames configured for a driver domain, which will limit the number of concurrent foreign mappings of that domain. So instead of having a blkback specific solution I'd rather have a common callback for backends to release foreign mappings in order to enable a global resource management. Juergen
On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 10:39:02 +0100 Juergen <jgross@suse.com> wrote: >On 09.12.19 09:58, SeongJae Park wrote: >> Each `blkif` has a free pages pool for the grant mapping. The size of >> the pool starts from zero and be increased on demand while processing >> the I/O requests. If current I/O requests handling is finished or 100 >> milliseconds has passed since last I/O requests handling, it checks and >> shrinks the pool to not exceed the size limit, `max_buffer_pages`. >> >> Therefore, `blkfront` running guests can cause a memory pressure in the >> `blkback` running guest by attaching a large number of block devices and >> inducing I/O. > >I'm having problems to understand how a guest can attach a large number >of block devices without those having been configured by the host admin >before. > >If those devices have been configured, dom0 should be ready for that >number of devices, e.g. by having enough spare memory area for ballooned >pages. As mentioned in the original message as below, administrators _can_ avoid this problem, but finding the optimal configuration is hard, especially if the number of the guests is large. System administrators can avoid such problematic situations by limiting the maximum number of devices each guest can attach. However, finding the optimal limit is not so easy. Improper set of the limit can results in the memory pressure or a resource underutilization. Thanks, SeongJae Park > >So either I'm missing something here or your reasoning for the need of >the patch is wrong. > > >Juergen >
On 09.12.19 11:23, SeongJae Park wrote: > On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 10:39:02 +0100 Juergen <jgross@suse.com> wrote: > >> On 09.12.19 09:58, SeongJae Park wrote: >>> Each `blkif` has a free pages pool for the grant mapping. The size of >>> the pool starts from zero and be increased on demand while processing >>> the I/O requests. If current I/O requests handling is finished or 100 >>> milliseconds has passed since last I/O requests handling, it checks and >>> shrinks the pool to not exceed the size limit, `max_buffer_pages`. >>> >>> Therefore, `blkfront` running guests can cause a memory pressure in the >>> `blkback` running guest by attaching a large number of block devices and >>> inducing I/O. >> >> I'm having problems to understand how a guest can attach a large number >> of block devices without those having been configured by the host admin >> before. >> >> If those devices have been configured, dom0 should be ready for that >> number of devices, e.g. by having enough spare memory area for ballooned >> pages. > > As mentioned in the original message as below, administrators _can_ avoid this > problem, but finding the optimal configuration is hard, especially if the > number of the guests is large. > > System administrators can avoid such problematic situations by limiting > the maximum number of devices each guest can attach. However, finding > the optimal limit is not so easy. Improper set of the limit can > results in the memory pressure or a resource underutilization. This sounds as if the admin would set a device limit. But it is the other way round: The admin needs to configure each possible device with all parameters (e.g. backing dom0 resource) for enabling the frontend to use it. Juergen