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Please can anyone have a look at this PMCU patchset and provide some comments? It is much related to the ARM PMU. We are looking forward to the feedback. Any relevant comments/questions, with respect to software or hardware design, use cases, coding, are welcome. Kind regards, Jie On 06/02/2023 14:51, Jie Zhan wrote: > HiSilicon Performance Monitor Control Unit (PMCU) is a device that offloads > PMU accesses from CPUs, handling the configuration, event switching, and > counter reading of core PMUs on Kunpeng SoC. It facilitates fine-grained > and multi-PMU-event CPU profiling, in which scenario the current 'perf' > scheme may lose events or drop sampling frequency. With PMCU, users can > reliably obtain the data of up to 240 PMU events with the sample interval > of events down to 1ms, while the software overhead of accessing PMUs, as > well as its impact on target workloads, is reduced. > > This patchset contains the documentation, driver, and user perf tool > support to enable using PMCU with the 'perf_event' framework. > > Here are two key questions requested for comments: > > - How do we make it compatible with arm_pmu drivers? > > Hardware-wise, PMCU uses the existing core PMUs, so PMUs can be accessed > from CPU and PMCU simultaneously. The current hardware can't guarantee > mutual exclusive accesses. Hence, scheduling arm_pmu and PMCU events at > the same time may mess up the operation of PMUs, delivering incorrect > data for both events, e.g. unexpected events or sample periods. > Software-wise, we probably need to prevent the two types of events from > running at the same time, but currently there isn't a clear solution. > > - Currently we reply on a sysfs file for users to input event numbers. Is > there a better way to pass many events? > > The perf framework only allows three 64-bit config fields for custom PMU > configs. Obviously, this can't satisfy our need for passing many events > at a time. As an event number is 16-bit wide, the config fields can only > take up to 12 events at a time, or up to 192 events even if we do a > bitmap of events (and there are more than 192 available event numbers). > Hence, the current design takes an array of event numbers from a sysfs > file before starting profiling. However, this may go against the common > way to schedule perf events through perf commands. > > Jie Zhan (4): > docs: perf: Add documentation for HiSilicon PMCU > drivers/perf: hisi: Add driver support for HiSilicon PMCU > perf tool: Add HiSilicon PMCU data recording support > perf tool: Add HiSilicon PMCU data decoding support > > Documentation/admin-guide/perf/hisi-pmcu.rst | 183 +++ > Documentation/admin-guide/perf/index.rst | 1 + > drivers/perf/hisilicon/Kconfig | 15 + > drivers/perf/hisilicon/Makefile | 1 + > drivers/perf/hisilicon/hisi_pmcu.c | 1096 ++++++++++++++++++ > tools/perf/arch/arm/util/auxtrace.c | 61 + > tools/perf/arch/arm64/util/Build | 2 +- > tools/perf/arch/arm64/util/hisi-pmcu.c | 145 +++ > tools/perf/util/Build | 1 + > tools/perf/util/auxtrace.c | 4 + > tools/perf/util/auxtrace.h | 1 + > tools/perf/util/hisi-pmcu.c | 305 +++++ > tools/perf/util/hisi-pmcu.h | 19 + > 13 files changed, 1833 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) > create mode 100644 Documentation/admin-guide/perf/hisi-pmcu.rst > create mode 100644 drivers/perf/hisilicon/hisi_pmcu.c > create mode 100644 tools/perf/arch/arm64/util/hisi-pmcu.c > create mode 100644 tools/perf/util/hisi-pmcu.c > create mode 100644 tools/perf/util/hisi-pmcu.h > > > base-commit: 830b3c68c1fb1e9176028d02ef86f3cf76aa2476
On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:49:46 +0800 Jie Zhan <zhanjie9@hisilicon.com> wrote: > Please can anyone have a look at this PMCU patchset and provide some > comments? > > It is much related to the ARM PMU. > > We are looking forward to the feedback. > > Any relevant comments/questions, with respect to software or hardware > design, use cases, coding, are welcome. > > Kind regards, > > Jie > > > On 06/02/2023 14:51, Jie Zhan wrote: > > HiSilicon Performance Monitor Control Unit (PMCU) is a device that offloads > > PMU accesses from CPUs, handling the configuration, event switching, and > > counter reading of core PMUs on Kunpeng SoC. It facilitates fine-grained > > and multi-PMU-event CPU profiling, in which scenario the current 'perf' > > scheme may lose events or drop sampling frequency. With PMCU, users can > > reliably obtain the data of up to 240 PMU events with the sample interval > > of events down to 1ms, while the software overhead of accessing PMUs, as > > well as its impact on target workloads, is reduced. > > > > This patchset contains the documentation, driver, and user perf tool > > support to enable using PMCU with the 'perf_event' framework. > > > > Here are two key questions requested for comments: > > > > - How do we make it compatible with arm_pmu drivers? > > > > Hardware-wise, PMCU uses the existing core PMUs, so PMUs can be accessed > > from CPU and PMCU simultaneously. The current hardware can't guarantee > > mutual exclusive accesses. Hence, scheduling arm_pmu and PMCU events at > > the same time may mess up the operation of PMUs, delivering incorrect > > data for both events, e.g. unexpected events or sample periods. > > Software-wise, we probably need to prevent the two types of events from > > running at the same time, but currently there isn't a clear solution. I've been thinking about this a bit and don't have a good answer yet. So some thoughts that might get some discussion going (some are here mostly to be shot down ;) 1. I suspect adding a hook into the specific pmu driver to reserve a counter is going to be controversial for this usecase. But maybe there is a more generic way... There are lock up detectors that use PMU counters and ensure the counters aren't also used for other purposes and that leads me to wonder if you can use https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/kernel/events/core.c#L12700 perf_event_create_kernel_counter() to do the same as opening a counter from userspace but then not use it. I have no idea if this will work though or if enabling the event would be necessary to prevent it being used elsewhere. 2. It might be possible to reuse any of the infrastructure that exists for userspace PMU counter access or maybe Rob Herring (+CC) has a suggestion based on his work on that feature. 3. It's not nice, but maybe could enforce this constraint just in userspace? We'd have to make sure that both drivers didn't do anything beyond not working correctly if the other driver is messing with the hardware. 4. We can't do the nasty trick of providing a second driver that binds to the PMU hardware to prevent it being used because I think the main arm PMU driver has suppress_bind_attrs = true. Maybe we can make remove work? (original patch for this in 2018 added that line because of a crash on remove - not sure anyone looked at fixing the crash). > > > > - Currently we reply on a sysfs file for users to input event numbers. Is > > there a better way to pass many events? > > > > The perf framework only allows three 64-bit config fields for custom PMU > > configs. Obviously, this can't satisfy our need for passing many events > > at a time. As an event number is 16-bit wide, the config fields can only > > take up to 12 events at a time, or up to 192 events even if we do a > > bitmap of events (and there are more than 192 available event numbers). > > Hence, the current design takes an array of event numbers from a sysfs > > file before starting profiling. However, this may go against the common > > way to schedule perf events through perf commands. > > > > Jie Zhan (4): > > docs: perf: Add documentation for HiSilicon PMCU > > drivers/perf: hisi: Add driver support for HiSilicon PMCU > > perf tool: Add HiSilicon PMCU data recording support > > perf tool: Add HiSilicon PMCU data decoding support > > > > Documentation/admin-guide/perf/hisi-pmcu.rst | 183 +++ > > Documentation/admin-guide/perf/index.rst | 1 + > > drivers/perf/hisilicon/Kconfig | 15 + > > drivers/perf/hisilicon/Makefile | 1 + > > drivers/perf/hisilicon/hisi_pmcu.c | 1096 ++++++++++++++++++ > > tools/perf/arch/arm/util/auxtrace.c | 61 + > > tools/perf/arch/arm64/util/Build | 2 +- > > tools/perf/arch/arm64/util/hisi-pmcu.c | 145 +++ > > tools/perf/util/Build | 1 + > > tools/perf/util/auxtrace.c | 4 + > > tools/perf/util/auxtrace.h | 1 + > > tools/perf/util/hisi-pmcu.c | 305 +++++ > > tools/perf/util/hisi-pmcu.h | 19 + > > 13 files changed, 1833 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) > > create mode 100644 Documentation/admin-guide/perf/hisi-pmcu.rst > > create mode 100644 drivers/perf/hisilicon/hisi_pmcu.c > > create mode 100644 tools/perf/arch/arm64/util/hisi-pmcu.c > > create mode 100644 tools/perf/util/hisi-pmcu.c > > create mode 100644 tools/perf/util/hisi-pmcu.h > > > > > > base-commit: 830b3c68c1fb1e9176028d02ef86f3cf76aa2476
On 17/03/2023 21:11, Jonathan Cameron wrote: > On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:49:46 +0800 > Jie Zhan <zhanjie9@hisilicon.com> wrote: > >> Please can anyone have a look at this PMCU patchset and provide some >> comments? >> >> It is much related to the ARM PMU. >> >> We are looking forward to the feedback. >> >> Any relevant comments/questions, with respect to software or hardware >> design, use cases, coding, are welcome. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Jie >> >> >> On 06/02/2023 14:51, Jie Zhan wrote: >>> HiSilicon Performance Monitor Control Unit (PMCU) is a device that offloads >>> PMU accesses from CPUs, handling the configuration, event switching, and >>> counter reading of core PMUs on Kunpeng SoC. It facilitates fine-grained >>> and multi-PMU-event CPU profiling, in which scenario the current 'perf' >>> scheme may lose events or drop sampling frequency. With PMCU, users can >>> reliably obtain the data of up to 240 PMU events with the sample interval >>> of events down to 1ms, while the software overhead of accessing PMUs, as >>> well as its impact on target workloads, is reduced. >>> >>> This patchset contains the documentation, driver, and user perf tool >>> support to enable using PMCU with the 'perf_event' framework. >>> >>> Here are two key questions requested for comments: >>> >>> - How do we make it compatible with arm_pmu drivers? >>> >>> Hardware-wise, PMCU uses the existing core PMUs, so PMUs can be accessed >>> from CPU and PMCU simultaneously. The current hardware can't guarantee >>> mutual exclusive accesses. Hence, scheduling arm_pmu and PMCU events at >>> the same time may mess up the operation of PMUs, delivering incorrect >>> data for both events, e.g. unexpected events or sample periods. >>> Software-wise, we probably need to prevent the two types of events from >>> running at the same time, but currently there isn't a clear solution. Hi Jonathan, Sorry for a late reply on this, but I have thought a bit more on this issue recently. > I've been thinking about this a bit and don't have a good answer yet. > > So some thoughts that might get some discussion going (some are here > mostly to be shot down ;) > > 1. I suspect adding a hook into the specific pmu driver to reserve a counter is going > to be controversial for this usecase. But maybe there is a more generic > way... There are lock up detectors that use PMU counters and ensure the counters > aren't also used for other purposes and that leads me to wonder if you can use > https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/kernel/events/core.c#L12700 > perf_event_create_kernel_counter() > to do the same as opening a counter from userspace but then not use it. > I have no idea if this will work though or if enabling the event would be necessary > to prevent it being used elsewhere. KVM is actually doing a similar thing. KVM inserts a call in armpmu_register() to save a reference to struct arm_pmu, so as to get some information of arm_pmu, e.g. its pmu type. With the pmu type, it can issue arm_pmu events through perf_event_create_kernel_counter(). Now we can make a general interface of this (supposed to be read-only), enabling other kernel code to get the data of arm_pmu, not just for kvm. In addition, PMCU needs to occupy certain counters, while the arm_pmu driver currently gets the first free counter it finds in the counter bitmap (see armv8pmu_get_event_idx()). Thus, we may have to add a mechanism to optionally specify a counter index that an event wants to use. Adding a config field and adapting armv8pmu_get_event_idx() should work. A more tricky work would be preventing the "occupying" events from being scheduled out. I don't think this is a friendly action, and the perf_event framework doesn't seem to support so (even if we add the "pinned" attribute, the event would also be switched out when there comes another "pinned" event). However, any "occupying" events being scheduled out should cause PMCU to stop, and I think this would undermine the advantage of PMCU. > 2. It might be possible to reuse any of the infrastructure that exists > for userspace PMU counter access or maybe Rob Herring (+CC) has a suggestion based on > his work on that feature. > > 3. It's not nice, but maybe could enforce this constraint just in userspace? > We'd have to make sure that both drivers didn't do anything beyond not working > correctly if the other driver is messing with the hardware. I actually think this is fine? So far, we haven't identified or found any problem from running PMCU and ARM_PMU simultaneously beyond getting wrong readings. PMCU is designed for system administrative use only. PMCU can also use a subset of PMU counters with higher indices, and the reset of counters with lower indices can still be exposed to EL0 or EL1. Thus, this approach should also work, providing that: a) EL0 or EL1 can only access a subset of counters with the lower indices, and b) system administrative programs don't use ARM_PMU and PMCU at the same time, or don't do anything harmful when getting abnormal PMU readings. > > 4. We can't do the nasty trick of providing a second driver that binds to the > PMU hardware to prevent it being used because I think the main arm PMU > driver has suppress_bind_attrs = true. Maybe we can make remove work? > (original patch for this in 2018 added that line because of a crash on remove > - not sure anyone looked at fixing the crash). We still prefer to keep at least part of ARM PMU counters in service while running PMCU in some scenarios. Unbinding the ARM PMU driver would go against that. Thanks! Jie Zhan >>> - Currently we reply on a sysfs file for users to input event numbers. Is >>> there a better way to pass many events? >>> >>> The perf framework only allows three 64-bit config fields for custom PMU >>> configs. Obviously, this can't satisfy our need for passing many events >>> at a time. As an event number is 16-bit wide, the config fields can only >>> take up to 12 events at a time, or up to 192 events even if we do a >>> bitmap of events (and there are more than 192 available event numbers). >>> Hence, the current design takes an array of event numbers from a sysfs >>> file before starting profiling. However, this may go against the common >>> way to schedule perf events through perf commands. >>> >>> Jie Zhan (4): >>> docs: perf: Add documentation for HiSilicon PMCU >>> drivers/perf: hisi: Add driver support for HiSilicon PMCU >>> perf tool: Add HiSilicon PMCU data recording support >>> perf tool: Add HiSilicon PMCU data decoding support >>> >>> Documentation/admin-guide/perf/hisi-pmcu.rst | 183 +++ >>> Documentation/admin-guide/perf/index.rst | 1 + >>> drivers/perf/hisilicon/Kconfig | 15 + >>> drivers/perf/hisilicon/Makefile | 1 + >>> drivers/perf/hisilicon/hisi_pmcu.c | 1096 ++++++++++++++++++ >>> tools/perf/arch/arm/util/auxtrace.c | 61 + >>> tools/perf/arch/arm64/util/Build | 2 +- >>> tools/perf/arch/arm64/util/hisi-pmcu.c | 145 +++ >>> tools/perf/util/Build | 1 + >>> tools/perf/util/auxtrace.c | 4 + >>> tools/perf/util/auxtrace.h | 1 + >>> tools/perf/util/hisi-pmcu.c | 305 +++++ >>> tools/perf/util/hisi-pmcu.h | 19 + >>> 13 files changed, 1833 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) >>> create mode 100644 Documentation/admin-guide/perf/hisi-pmcu.rst >>> create mode 100644 drivers/perf/hisilicon/hisi_pmcu.c >>> create mode 100644 tools/perf/arch/arm64/util/hisi-pmcu.c >>> create mode 100644 tools/perf/util/hisi-pmcu.c >>> create mode 100644 tools/perf/util/hisi-pmcu.h >>> >>> >>> base-commit: 830b3c68c1fb1e9176028d02ef86f3cf76aa2476