| Message ID | 20230811164853.1797547-14-cezary.rojewski@intel.com (mailing list archive) |
|---|---|
| State | Superseded |
| Headers | show |
| Series | ALSA/ASoC: hda: Address format selection limitations and ambiguity | expand |
On 8/11/23 11:48, Cezary Rojewski wrote: > To provide option for selecting different bit-per-sample than just the > maximum one, use the new format calculation mechanism. Can you remind me what the issue is in selecting the maximum resolution? Isn't it a good thing to select the maximum resolution when possible so as to provide more headroom and prevent clipping? Usually we try to make sure the resolution becomes limited when we reach the analog parts. I am not sure I see a compelling reason to reduce the resolution on the host side. I am also not sure what this patch actually changes, given that the firmware actually converts everything to the full 32-bit resolution. I must be missing something on the problem statement. > Signed-off-by: Cezary Rojewski <cezary.rojewski@intel.com> > --- > sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c | 5 +++-- > 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c b/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c > index f3513796c189..00703999e91b 100644 > --- a/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c > +++ b/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c > @@ -194,14 +194,15 @@ static unsigned int hda_calc_stream_format(struct snd_sof_dev *sdev, > struct snd_soc_dai *codec_dai = asoc_rtd_to_codec(rtd, 0); > unsigned int link_bps; > unsigned int format_val; > + unsigned int bps; > > if (substream->stream == SNDRV_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK) > link_bps = codec_dai->driver->playback.sig_bits; > else > link_bps = codec_dai->driver->capture.sig_bits; > + bps = snd_hdac_stream_format_bps(params_format(params), SNDRV_PCM_SUBFORMAT_STD, link_bps); I can't say I fully understand the difference between 'bps' and 'link_bps'. The naming is far from self-explanatory just by looking at the code. > - format_val = snd_hdac_calc_stream_format(params_rate(params), params_channels(params), > - params_format(params), link_bps, 0); > + format_val = snd_hdac_stream_format(params_channels(params), bps, params_rate(params)); > > dev_dbg(sdev->dev, "format_val=%#x, rate=%d, ch=%d, format=%d\n", format_val, > params_rate(params), params_channels(params), params_format(params));
On 2023-08-11 8:21 PM, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote: > On 8/11/23 11:48, Cezary Rojewski wrote: >> To provide option for selecting different bit-per-sample than just the >> maximum one, use the new format calculation mechanism. > > Can you remind me what the issue is in selecting the maximum resolution? > > Isn't it a good thing to select the maximum resolution when possible so > as to provide more headroom and prevent clipping? Usually we try to make > sure the resolution becomes limited when we reach the analog parts. I am > not sure I see a compelling reason to reduce the resolution on the host > side. Maximum resolution is still the default, nothing changes there. Moreover, new subformat options are not added to any driver apart from the avs-driver. The patchset provides _an option_ to change bits-per-sample. Right now there's no option to do that so the hardware - here, SDxFMT and PPLCxFMT - is not tested. We have enough recommended flows already. Frankly there is one for SDxFMT for the APL-based platforms (or BXT-based if one prefers that naming) present within snd_hda_intel and DSP drivers alike. > I am also not sure what this patch actually changes, given that the > firmware actually converts everything to the full 32-bit resolution. The issue does not concern firmware, so we leave firmware out of the discussion - this is purely about hardware capabilities. > I must be missing something on the problem statement. > >> Signed-off-by: Cezary Rojewski <cezary.rojewski@intel.com> >> --- >> sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c | 5 +++-- >> 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) >> >> diff --git a/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c b/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c >> index f3513796c189..00703999e91b 100644 >> --- a/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c >> +++ b/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c >> @@ -194,14 +194,15 @@ static unsigned int hda_calc_stream_format(struct snd_sof_dev *sdev, >> struct snd_soc_dai *codec_dai = asoc_rtd_to_codec(rtd, 0); >> unsigned int link_bps; >> unsigned int format_val; >> + unsigned int bps; >> >> if (substream->stream == SNDRV_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK) >> link_bps = codec_dai->driver->playback.sig_bits; >> else >> link_bps = codec_dai->driver->capture.sig_bits; >> + bps = snd_hdac_stream_format_bps(params_format(params), SNDRV_PCM_SUBFORMAT_STD, link_bps); > > I can't say I fully understand the difference between 'bps' and > 'link_bps'. The naming is far from self-explanatory just by looking at > the code. There's none. I just didn't reuse the 'link_bps' variable. I can reuse it if you like. >> - format_val = snd_hdac_calc_stream_format(params_rate(params), params_channels(params), >> - params_format(params), link_bps, 0); >> + format_val = snd_hdac_stream_format(params_channels(params), bps, params_rate(params)); >> >> dev_dbg(sdev->dev, "format_val=%#x, rate=%d, ch=%d, format=%d\n", format_val, >> params_rate(params), params_channels(params), params_format(params));
On 8/14/23 05:51, Cezary Rojewski wrote: > On 2023-08-11 8:21 PM, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote: >> On 8/11/23 11:48, Cezary Rojewski wrote: >>> To provide option for selecting different bit-per-sample than just the >>> maximum one, use the new format calculation mechanism. >> >> Can you remind me what the issue is in selecting the maximum resolution? >> >> Isn't it a good thing to select the maximum resolution when possible so >> as to provide more headroom and prevent clipping? Usually we try to make >> sure the resolution becomes limited when we reach the analog parts. I am >> not sure I see a compelling reason to reduce the resolution on the host >> side. > > Maximum resolution is still the default, nothing changes there. > Moreover, new subformat options are not added to any driver apart from > the avs-driver. What's so special about this driver that it needs more capabilities for a standard interface? > The patchset provides _an option_ to change bits-per-sample. Right now > there's no option to do that so the hardware - here, SDxFMT and PPLCxFMT > - is not tested. We have enough recommended flows already. Frankly there > is one for SDxFMT for the APL-based platforms (or BXT-based if one > prefers that naming) present within snd_hda_intel and DSP drivers alike. > >> I am also not sure what this patch actually changes, given that the >> firmware actually converts everything to the full 32-bit resolution. > > The issue does not concern firmware, so we leave firmware out of the > discussion - this is purely about hardware capabilities. I don't see how you can leave firmware aside, if the hardware configuration is selected to be based on 24 bits and the firmware generated 32 there's clearly a mismatch. If this is saying that we are adding an option that will never be used, then why bother? Lost in space on this one. >> I must be missing something on the problem statement. >> >>> Signed-off-by: Cezary Rojewski <cezary.rojewski@intel.com> >>> --- >>> sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c | 5 +++-- >>> 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) >>> >>> diff --git a/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c >>> b/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c >>> index f3513796c189..00703999e91b 100644 >>> --- a/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c >>> +++ b/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c >>> @@ -194,14 +194,15 @@ static unsigned int >>> hda_calc_stream_format(struct snd_sof_dev *sdev, >>> struct snd_soc_dai *codec_dai = asoc_rtd_to_codec(rtd, 0); >>> unsigned int link_bps; >>> unsigned int format_val; >>> + unsigned int bps; >>> if (substream->stream == SNDRV_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK) >>> link_bps = codec_dai->driver->playback.sig_bits; >>> else >>> link_bps = codec_dai->driver->capture.sig_bits; >>> + bps = snd_hdac_stream_format_bps(params_format(params), >>> SNDRV_PCM_SUBFORMAT_STD, link_bps); >> >> I can't say I fully understand the difference between 'bps' and >> 'link_bps'. The naming is far from self-explanatory just by looking at >> the code. > > There's none. I just didn't reuse the 'link_bps' variable. I can reuse > it if you like. > >>> - format_val = snd_hdac_calc_stream_format(params_rate(params), >>> params_channels(params), >>> - params_format(params), link_bps, 0); >>> + format_val = snd_hdac_stream_format(params_channels(params), >>> bps, params_rate(params)); >>> dev_dbg(sdev->dev, "format_val=%#x, rate=%d, ch=%d, >>> format=%d\n", format_val, >>> params_rate(params), params_channels(params), >>> params_format(params));
On 2023-08-14 4:01 PM, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote: > On 8/14/23 05:51, Cezary Rojewski wrote: >> On 2023-08-11 8:21 PM, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote: >>> On 8/11/23 11:48, Cezary Rojewski wrote: >>>> To provide option for selecting different bit-per-sample than just the >>>> maximum one, use the new format calculation mechanism. >>> >>> Can you remind me what the issue is in selecting the maximum resolution? >>> >>> Isn't it a good thing to select the maximum resolution when possible so >>> as to provide more headroom and prevent clipping? Usually we try to make >>> sure the resolution becomes limited when we reach the analog parts. I am >>> not sure I see a compelling reason to reduce the resolution on the host >>> side. >> >> Maximum resolution is still the default, nothing changes there. >> Moreover, new subformat options are not added to any driver apart from >> the avs-driver. > > What's so special about this driver that it needs more capabilities for > a standard interface? This is kind of an off-topic question. While maintaining status quo from user perspective, we want to test the hardware with full-stack, just like it's the case on Windows side. Tested hardware yields less recommended flows. >> The patchset provides _an option_ to change bits-per-sample. Right now >> there's no option to do that so the hardware - here, SDxFMT and PPLCxFMT >> - is not tested. We have enough recommended flows already. Frankly there >> is one for SDxFMT for the APL-based platforms (or BXT-based if one >> prefers that naming) present within snd_hda_intel and DSP drivers alike. >> >>> I am also not sure what this patch actually changes, given that the >>> firmware actually converts everything to the full 32-bit resolution. >> >> The issue does not concern firmware, so we leave firmware out of the >> discussion - this is purely about hardware capabilities. > > I don't see how you can leave firmware aside, if the hardware > configuration is selected to be based on 24 bits and the firmware > generated 32 there's clearly a mismatch. > > If this is saying that we are adding an option that will never be used, > then why bother? > > Lost in space on this one. We are still on planet Earth though. Many codecs present on the market support more than just 24/32 format. It is a valid testcase to check if indeed the exposed functionality works. In regard to firmware, please note that the AudioDSP firmware has no direct access to the HOST space, so it cannot alter SDxFMT and PPLCxFMT on its own. Hardcoding particular YYYxFMT value restricts testing capabilities. The firmware expects that provided valid and container bit depths values (copier's INIT_INSTANCE) match YYYxFMT the software had assigned. >>> I must be missing something on the problem statement. >>> >>>> Signed-off-by: Cezary Rojewski <cezary.rojewski@intel.com> >>>> --- >>>> sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c | 5 +++-- >>>> 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) >>>> >>>> diff --git a/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c >>>> b/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c >>>> index f3513796c189..00703999e91b 100644 >>>> --- a/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c >>>> +++ b/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c >>>> @@ -194,14 +194,15 @@ static unsigned int >>>> hda_calc_stream_format(struct snd_sof_dev *sdev, >>>> struct snd_soc_dai *codec_dai = asoc_rtd_to_codec(rtd, 0); >>>> unsigned int link_bps; >>>> unsigned int format_val; >>>> + unsigned int bps; >>>> if (substream->stream == SNDRV_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK) >>>> link_bps = codec_dai->driver->playback.sig_bits; >>>> else >>>> link_bps = codec_dai->driver->capture.sig_bits; >>>> + bps = snd_hdac_stream_format_bps(params_format(params), >>>> SNDRV_PCM_SUBFORMAT_STD, link_bps); >>> >>> I can't say I fully understand the difference between 'bps' and >>> 'link_bps'. The naming is far from self-explanatory just by looking at >>> the code. >> >> There's none. I just didn't reuse the 'link_bps' variable. I can reuse >> it if you like. >> >>>> - format_val = snd_hdac_calc_stream_format(params_rate(params), >>>> params_channels(params), >>>> - params_format(params), link_bps, 0); >>>> + format_val = snd_hdac_stream_format(params_channels(params), >>>> bps, params_rate(params)); >>>> dev_dbg(sdev->dev, "format_val=%#x, rate=%d, ch=%d, >>>> format=%d\n", format_val, >>>> params_rate(params), params_channels(params), >>>> params_format(params));
>>>>> To provide option for selecting different bit-per-sample than just the >>>>> maximum one, use the new format calculation mechanism. >>>> >>>> Can you remind me what the issue is in selecting the maximum >>>> resolution? >>>> >>>> Isn't it a good thing to select the maximum resolution when possible so >>>> as to provide more headroom and prevent clipping? Usually we try to >>>> make >>>> sure the resolution becomes limited when we reach the analog parts. >>>> I am >>>> not sure I see a compelling reason to reduce the resolution on the host >>>> side. >>> >>> Maximum resolution is still the default, nothing changes there. >>> Moreover, new subformat options are not added to any driver apart from >>> the avs-driver. >> >> What's so special about this driver that it needs more capabilities for >> a standard interface? > > This is kind of an off-topic question. > > While maintaining status quo from user perspective, we want to test the > hardware with full-stack, just like it's the case on Windows side. > Tested hardware yields less recommended flows. yeah, but at some point you have to draw a line. It's not because the codec exposes all kinds of capabilities that you want the host driver to enable each single possible option. Take I2S codecs for example, there are countless degrees of freedom between 18, 20, 24, 32 bits and all sorts of formatting (DSP_X, I2S), slot size, etc. We use the same subsets in 90% of the cases. >>> The patchset provides _an option_ to change bits-per-sample. Right now >>> there's no option to do that so the hardware - here, SDxFMT and PPLCxFMT >>> - is not tested. We have enough recommended flows already. Frankly there >>> is one for SDxFMT for the APL-based platforms (or BXT-based if one >>> prefers that naming) present within snd_hda_intel and DSP drivers alike. >>> >>>> I am also not sure what this patch actually changes, given that the >>>> firmware actually converts everything to the full 32-bit resolution. >>> >>> The issue does not concern firmware, so we leave firmware out of the >>> discussion - this is purely about hardware capabilities. >> >> I don't see how you can leave firmware aside, if the hardware >> configuration is selected to be based on 24 bits and the firmware >> generated 32 there's clearly a mismatch. >> >> If this is saying that we are adding an option that will never be used, >> then why bother? >> >> Lost in space on this one. > > We are still on planet Earth though. Many codecs present on the market > support more than just 24/32 format. It is a valid testcase to check if > indeed the exposed functionality works. Sure, if you have spare cycles you can test all kinds of things, but the impact on products will be very limited. No one in their right mind is going to use 20 bits even if the codec advertises support for it. The recommended practice is to use the maximum resolution on the host side. It's not because we *can* use a lower resolution that we *should*. > In regard to firmware, please note that the AudioDSP firmware has no > direct access to the HOST space, so it cannot alter SDxFMT and PPLCxFMT > on its own. Hardcoding particular YYYxFMT value restricts testing > capabilities. The firmware expects that provided valid and container bit > depths values (copier's INIT_INSTANCE) match YYYxFMT the software had > assigned. what could possibly go wrong here...completely different layers that need to be joined to reconcile codec-specific information. D'oh. I am not going to object further to these patches, I just don't see them as having any material impact on any of the existing/future products.
diff --git a/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c b/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c index f3513796c189..00703999e91b 100644 --- a/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c +++ b/sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c @@ -194,14 +194,15 @@ static unsigned int hda_calc_stream_format(struct snd_sof_dev *sdev, struct snd_soc_dai *codec_dai = asoc_rtd_to_codec(rtd, 0); unsigned int link_bps; unsigned int format_val; + unsigned int bps; if (substream->stream == SNDRV_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK) link_bps = codec_dai->driver->playback.sig_bits; else link_bps = codec_dai->driver->capture.sig_bits; + bps = snd_hdac_stream_format_bps(params_format(params), SNDRV_PCM_SUBFORMAT_STD, link_bps); - format_val = snd_hdac_calc_stream_format(params_rate(params), params_channels(params), - params_format(params), link_bps, 0); + format_val = snd_hdac_stream_format(params_channels(params), bps, params_rate(params)); dev_dbg(sdev->dev, "format_val=%#x, rate=%d, ch=%d, format=%d\n", format_val, params_rate(params), params_channels(params), params_format(params));
To provide option for selecting different bit-per-sample than just the maximum one, use the new format calculation mechanism. Signed-off-by: Cezary Rojewski <cezary.rojewski@intel.com> --- sound/soc/sof/intel/hda-dai-ops.c | 5 +++-- 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)