Message ID | 20230627143508.1576882-1-longman@redhat.com (mailing list archive) |
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Headers | show |
Series | cgroup/cpuset: Support remote partitions | expand |
Hello, Waiman. I applied the prep patches. They look good on their own. On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 10:34:59AM -0400, Waiman Long wrote: ... > cpuset. Unlike "cpuset.cpus", invalid input to "cpuset.cpus.exclusive" > will be rejected with an error. This new control file has no effect on We cannot maintain this as an invariant tho, right? For example, what happens when a parent cgroup later wants to withdraw a CPU from its cpuset.cpus which should always be allowed regardless of what its descendants are doing? Even with cpus.exclusive itself, I think it'd be important to always allow ancestors to be able to withdraw from the commitment as with other resources. I suppose one can argue that giving exclusive access to CPUs is a special case which doesn't follow this rule but cpus.exclusive having to be nested inside cpus which is subject to that rule makes that combination too contorted. Would it be difficult to follow how isolation modes behave when the target configuration can't be achieved? Thanks.
On 7/10/23 17:08, Tejun Heo wrote: > Hello, Waiman. > > I applied the prep patches. They look good on their own. > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 10:34:59AM -0400, Waiman Long wrote: > ... >> cpuset. Unlike "cpuset.cpus", invalid input to "cpuset.cpus.exclusive" >> will be rejected with an error. This new control file has no effect on > We cannot maintain this as an invariant tho, right? For example, what > happens when a parent cgroup later wants to withdraw a CPU from its > cpuset.cpus which should always be allowed regardless of what its > descendants are doing? Even with cpus.exclusive itself, I think it'd be > important to always allow ancestors to be able to withdraw from the > commitment as with other resources. I suppose one can argue that giving > exclusive access to CPUs is a special case which doesn't follow this rule > but cpus.exclusive having to be nested inside cpus which is subject to that > rule makes that combination too contorted. > > Would it be difficult to follow how isolation modes behave when the target > configuration can't be achieved? I would like to clarify that withdrawal of CPUs from cpuset.cpus.exclusive is always allowed. It is the addition of CPUs not presents in cpuset.cpus that will be rejected. The invariant is that cpuset.cpus.exclusive must always be a subset of cpuset.cpus. Any change that violates this rule is not allowed. Alternately I can silently dropped the offending CPUs without returning an error, but that may surprise users. BTW, withdrawal of CPUs from cpuset.cpus will also withdraw them from cpuset.cpus.exclusive, if present. This allows the partition code to use cpuset.cpus.exclusive directly to determine the allowable exclusive CPUs without doing an intersection with cpuset.cpus each time it is used. Please let me know if you want a different behavior. Cheers, Longman
Hello, On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 08:33:11PM -0400, Waiman Long wrote: > I would like to clarify that withdrawal of CPUs from cpuset.cpus.exclusive > is always allowed. It is the addition of CPUs not presents in cpuset.cpus > that will be rejected. The invariant is that cpuset.cpus.exclusive must > always be a subset of cpuset.cpus. Any change that violates this rule is not > allowed. Alternately I can silently dropped the offending CPUs without > returning an error, but that may surprise users. Right, that'd be confusing. > BTW, withdrawal of CPUs from cpuset.cpus will also withdraw them from > cpuset.cpus.exclusive, if present. This allows the partition code to use > cpuset.cpus.exclusive directly to determine the allowable exclusive CPUs > without doing an intersection with cpuset.cpus each time it is used. This is kinda confusing too, I think. Changing cpuset.cpus in an ancestor doesn't affect the contents of the descendants' cpuset.cpus files but would directly modify the contents of their cpuset.cpus.exclusive files. There's some inherent friction because cpuset.cpus separates configuration (cpuset.cpus) and the current state (cpuset.cpus.effective) while cpuset.cpus.exclusive is trying to do both in the same interface file. When the two behavior modes collide, it becomes rather confusing. Do you think it'd make sense to make cpus.exclusive follow the same pattern as cpuset.cpus? Thanks.
On 7/10/23 21:00, Tejun Heo wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 08:33:11PM -0400, Waiman Long wrote: >> I would like to clarify that withdrawal of CPUs from cpuset.cpus.exclusive >> is always allowed. It is the addition of CPUs not presents in cpuset.cpus >> that will be rejected. The invariant is that cpuset.cpus.exclusive must >> always be a subset of cpuset.cpus. Any change that violates this rule is not >> allowed. Alternately I can silently dropped the offending CPUs without >> returning an error, but that may surprise users. > Right, that'd be confusing. > >> BTW, withdrawal of CPUs from cpuset.cpus will also withdraw them from >> cpuset.cpus.exclusive, if present. This allows the partition code to use >> cpuset.cpus.exclusive directly to determine the allowable exclusive CPUs >> without doing an intersection with cpuset.cpus each time it is used. > This is kinda confusing too, I think. Changing cpuset.cpus in an ancestor > doesn't affect the contents of the descendants' cpuset.cpus files but would > directly modify the contents of their cpuset.cpus.exclusive files. > > There's some inherent friction because cpuset.cpus separates configuration > (cpuset.cpus) and the current state (cpuset.cpus.effective) while > cpuset.cpus.exclusive is trying to do both in the same interface file. When > the two behavior modes collide, it becomes rather confusing. Do you think > it'd make sense to make cpus.exclusive follow the same pattern as > cpuset.cpus? I don't want to add another cpuset.cpus.exclusive.effective control file. One possibility is to keep another effective masks in the struct cpuset and list both exclusive cpus set by the user and the effective ones side by side, like "<cpus> (<effective_cpus>)" if they differ or some other format. What do you think? Regards, Longman
Hello, On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 09:38:12PM -0400, Waiman Long wrote: > I don't want to add another cpuset.cpus.exclusive.effective control file. > One possibility is to keep another effective masks in the struct cpuset and > list both exclusive cpus set by the user and the effective ones side by > side, like "<cpus> (<effective_cpus>)" if they differ or some other format. > What do you think? Hmm... if we go for separate effective mask, I think it'd be better to stay consistent with cpuset.cpus[.effective]. That's the convention both cpuset.cpus and cpuset.mems already follow. I'm not sure what we'd gain by deviating. Thanks.