Message ID | 20220822235649.2218031-1-joannelkoong@gmail.com (mailing list archive) |
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Headers | show |
Series | Add skb + xdp dynptrs | expand |
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 at 02:06, Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com> wrote: > > This patchset is the 2nd in the dynptr series. The 1st can be found here [0]. > > This patchset adds skb and xdp type dynptrs, which have two main benefits for > packet parsing: > * allowing operations on sizes that are not statically known at > compile-time (eg variable-sized accesses). > * more ergonomic and less brittle iteration through data (eg does not need > manual if checking for being within bounds of data_end) > Just curious: so would you be adding a dynptr interface for obtaining data_meta slices as well in the future? Since the same manual bounds checking is needed for data_meta vs data. How would that look in the generic dynptr interface of data/read/write this set is trying to fit things in? > When comparing the differences in runtime for packet parsing without dynptrs > vs. with dynptrs for the more simple cases, there is no noticeable difference. > For the more complex cases where lengths are non-statically known at compile > time, there can be a significant speed-up when using dynptrs (eg a 2x speed up > for cls redirection). Patch 3 contains more details as well as examples of how > to use skb and xdp dynptrs. > > [0] https://lore.kernel.org/bpf/20220523210712.3641569-1-joannelkoong@gmail.com/ > > --
On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 7:32 PM Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 at 02:06, Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > This patchset is the 2nd in the dynptr series. The 1st can be found here [0]. > > > > This patchset adds skb and xdp type dynptrs, which have two main benefits for > > packet parsing: > > * allowing operations on sizes that are not statically known at > > compile-time (eg variable-sized accesses). > > * more ergonomic and less brittle iteration through data (eg does not need > > manual if checking for being within bounds of data_end) > > > > Just curious: so would you be adding a dynptr interface for obtaining > data_meta slices as well in the future? Since the same manual bounds > checking is needed for data_meta vs data. How would that look in the > generic dynptr interface of data/read/write this set is trying to fit > things in? Oh cool, I didn't realize there is also a data_meta used in packet parsing - thanks for bringing this up. I think there are 2 options for how data_meta can be incorporated into the dynptr interface: 1) have a separate api "bpf_dynptr_from_{skb/xdp}_meta. We'll have to have a function in the verifier that does something similar to 'may_access_direct_pkt_data' but for pkt data meta, since skb progs can have different access restrictions for data vs. data_meta. 2) ideally, the flags arg would be used to indicate whether the parsing should be for data_meta. To support this though, I think we'd need to do access type checking within the helper instead of at the verifier level. One idea is to pass in the env->ops ptr as a 4th arg (manually patching it from the verifier) to the helper, which can be used to determine if data_meta access is permitted. In both options, there'll be a new BPF_DYNPTR_{SKB/XDP}_META dynptr type and data/read/write will be supported for it. What are your thoughts? > > > > > When comparing the differences in runtime for packet parsing without dynptrs > > vs. with dynptrs for the more simple cases, there is no noticeable difference. > > For the more complex cases where lengths are non-statically known at compile > > time, there can be a significant speed-up when using dynptrs (eg a 2x speed up > > for cls redirection). Patch 3 contains more details as well as examples of how > > to use skb and xdp dynptrs. > > > > [0] https://lore.kernel.org/bpf/20220523210712.3641569-1-joannelkoong@gmail.com/ > > > > --
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 11:52 AM Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 7:32 PM Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi > <memxor@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 at 02:06, Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > This patchset is the 2nd in the dynptr series. The 1st can be found here [0]. > > > > > > This patchset adds skb and xdp type dynptrs, which have two main benefits for > > > packet parsing: > > > * allowing operations on sizes that are not statically known at > > > compile-time (eg variable-sized accesses). > > > * more ergonomic and less brittle iteration through data (eg does not need > > > manual if checking for being within bounds of data_end) > > > > > > > Just curious: so would you be adding a dynptr interface for obtaining > > data_meta slices as well in the future? Since the same manual bounds > > checking is needed for data_meta vs data. How would that look in the > > generic dynptr interface of data/read/write this set is trying to fit > > things in? > > Oh cool, I didn't realize there is also a data_meta used in packet > parsing - thanks for bringing this up. I think there are 2 options for > how data_meta can be incorporated into the dynptr interface: > > 1) have a separate api "bpf_dynptr_from_{skb/xdp}_meta. We'll have to > have a function in the verifier that does something similar to > 'may_access_direct_pkt_data' but for pkt data meta, since skb progs > can have different access restrictions for data vs. data_meta. > > 2) ideally, the flags arg would be used to indicate whether the > parsing should be for data_meta. To support this though, I think we'd > need to do access type checking within the helper instead of at the > verifier level. One idea is to pass in the env->ops ptr as a 4th arg > (manually patching it from the verifier) to the helper, which can be > used to determine if data_meta access is permitted. > > In both options, there'll be a new BPF_DYNPTR_{SKB/XDP}_META dynptr > type and data/read/write will be supported for it. > > What are your thoughts? I think separate bpf_dynptr_from_skb_meta() and bpf_dynptr_from_xdp_meta() is cleaner than a flag. Also having a separate helper would make it easier to disable this helper for program types that don't have access to ctx->data_meta, right? > > > > > > > > > > When comparing the differences in runtime for packet parsing without dynptrs > > > vs. with dynptrs for the more simple cases, there is no noticeable difference. > > > For the more complex cases where lengths are non-statically known at compile > > > time, there can be a significant speed-up when using dynptrs (eg a 2x speed up > > > for cls redirection). Patch 3 contains more details as well as examples of how > > > to use skb and xdp dynptrs. > > > > > > [0] https://lore.kernel.org/bpf/20220523210712.3641569-1-joannelkoong@gmail.com/ > > > > > > --
On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 at 20:02, Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 11:52 AM Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 7:32 PM Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi > > <memxor@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 at 02:06, Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > This patchset is the 2nd in the dynptr series. The 1st can be found here [0]. > > > > > > > > This patchset adds skb and xdp type dynptrs, which have two main benefits for > > > > packet parsing: > > > > * allowing operations on sizes that are not statically known at > > > > compile-time (eg variable-sized accesses). > > > > * more ergonomic and less brittle iteration through data (eg does not need > > > > manual if checking for being within bounds of data_end) > > > > > > > > > > Just curious: so would you be adding a dynptr interface for obtaining > > > data_meta slices as well in the future? Since the same manual bounds > > > checking is needed for data_meta vs data. How would that look in the > > > generic dynptr interface of data/read/write this set is trying to fit > > > things in? > > > > Oh cool, I didn't realize there is also a data_meta used in packet > > parsing - thanks for bringing this up. I think there are 2 options for > > how data_meta can be incorporated into the dynptr interface: > > > > 1) have a separate api "bpf_dynptr_from_{skb/xdp}_meta. We'll have to > > have a function in the verifier that does something similar to > > 'may_access_direct_pkt_data' but for pkt data meta, since skb progs > > can have different access restrictions for data vs. data_meta. > > > > 2) ideally, the flags arg would be used to indicate whether the > > parsing should be for data_meta. To support this though, I think we'd > > need to do access type checking within the helper instead of at the > > verifier level. One idea is to pass in the env->ops ptr as a 4th arg > > (manually patching it from the verifier) to the helper, which can be > > used to determine if data_meta access is permitted. > > > > In both options, there'll be a new BPF_DYNPTR_{SKB/XDP}_META dynptr > > type and data/read/write will be supported for it. > > > > What are your thoughts? > > I think separate bpf_dynptr_from_skb_meta() and > bpf_dynptr_from_xdp_meta() is cleaner than a flag. Also having a > separate helper would make it easier to disable this helper for > program types that don't have access to ctx->data_meta, right? > Agreed, and with flags then you also need to force them to be constant (to be able to distinguish the return type from the flag's value), which might be too restrictive.